Mar 23 2012

‘Men’s Rights Movement’ Symbolizes Growing Nationwide Misogyny

Legislation restricting the rights of women to independently make healthcare choices continues to be introduced in state legislatures at a dizzying pace, accompanied by debates that reveal attitudes about women that harken to a much earlier era. This week, the Idaho state senate debated proposed legislation requiring any women seeking an abortion to have an ultrasound first, even if the pregnancy was the result of a rape. Idaho State Senator Chuck Winder suggested such exemptions encourage women to lie. Winder said, “I would hope that when a woman goes in to a physician with a rape issue, that physician will indeed ask her about perhaps her marriage, was this pregnancy caused by normal relations in a marriage or was it truly caused by a rape.” Winder’s implication that women are duplicitous caused an outcry, and he backtracked from the comment. However the belief that women cannot be trusted has support in the growing community of the so-called men’s and father’s rights movement.

An article in the current issue of the Southern Poverty Law Center’s Intelligence Report exposes the “man-o-sphere” through which this backlash to feminism finds a voice, and the real-life acts of violence that appear to have links to the hate found online. Hundreds of websites, blogs and chatrooms are devoted to rants about feminism and rage filled tirades against domestic violence laws and the family court system. Women, specifically Western women, are blamed for oppressing men through false accusations of abuse and rape, through divorce, and for generally demanding equality in the social and legal realms. Author of the report Arthur Goldwag writes that virtual threats of violence against women online appear to have real world consequences. The case exemplifying the link between belief and action is that of Tom Ball, a leader of the Fatherhood Coalition, who hit his 4-year-old daughter in the mouth and found himself entangled in child custody and child support battles. Last year, he lit himself on fire outside of a New Hampshire courthouse. Ball left a suicide note calling for a male insurrection. He wrote, “[t]he federal government declared a war on men. It is time, boys, to give them a taste of war.”

GUEST: Mark Potok is one of the country’s leading experts on extremist movements and is the editor-in-chief of the SPLC’s award-winning, quarterly journal, the Intelligence Report, its Hatewatch blog, and its investigative reports

Read Arthur Goldwag’s article here.

Read Mark Potok’s article co-written with Evelyn Schlatter here.

Rough Transcript:

Kolhatkar: Welcome to Uprising, Mark.

Potok: Well it’s a pleasure to be here.

Kolhatkar: So the legislation that we are seeing moving through many state legislatures, including the one in Idaho, seem to have a similar sentiment to the so-called men’s movement. Just as an example, Idaho State Senator Chuck Winder suggested that an exemption from the law that I mentioned was being debated would encourage women to lie on exemption in the case of rape. He said: Rape and incest was used as a reason to oppose this. I would hope that when a woman goes to a physician with a rape issue the physician will indeed ask her about her marriage. Was this pregnancy caused by normal relations in a marriage, or was it truly caused by rape? Does this sort of exemplify the kind of attitude we see in the so-called men’s movement, that women are assumed to be lying about abuse?

Potok: Certainly in a big hunk of that world, in the so-called “manosphere” world. I guess to be fair, we should say that there are, I think, undoubtedly people in the men’s rights movement or the Fathers’ Rights Movement, whatever you call it, who are genuinely interested in real issues. I think it’s obviously true that men are not always treated well in the family courts and certainly with a history of the assumption being that the child goes to the mother barring all other things being equal. That said, yes, I found it simply astounding the stuff that we ran across on these websites, the real viscousness that was out there. We had an incredible reaction to the story in terms of some really nasty things that have been written about how this is really a civil rights movement. But the reality is that what these people say, or certainly a great many of them, are things like men are victimized just as much as by women as vice versa if not more so. They make claims that as many as half or even more more of all reported rapes are fake; they’re not true. These are evil women who are simply making these statements in order to defame men, or to win in custody cases, and that kind of thing.

When you look at the actual facts?I did a story to go with Arthur’s story, a colleague and I did, looking at the facts, and it’s not even close to true. The best studies suggest that false rape allegations run somewhere from about two and six point five percent, and that is very comparable to false reports of all other crimes. These people have a very strange view of the world. They think that wicked feminists have ginned up a fake portrait of our society as a so-called patriarchy and that this is a construct in order to demonize men and to hurt them.

Kolhatkar: Now it’s amazing to see some of the things that have been described in this report, but some of it sounds like in the language used in these online forums?is reflected in people like Rush Limbaugh, who uses the term “femi-Nazi” constantly. So do you see these sentiments reflected more and more in the mainstream media?

Potok: Oh, I think absolutely. You’re certainly right. When Limbaugh made his comments, we were just about to publish this piece.

Kolhatkar: These are the comments about the Georgetown University student: calling her a slut?

Potok: Yeah, and calling her a prostitute, and as everyone listening knows, it got much worse than that.
It talked about she should give in her sex tapes and so on if the public was paying for her contraception and what-have-you. In a sense, Limbaugh’s comments helped draw a lot of attention to what we wrote. It was almost like a promotional thing. Yes, we called the story A War on Women, and this was before Democrats started describing what Republicans are doing, and I think with some justification, as precisely that, a war on women.

Kolhatkar: Now this report specifically points out that the so-called men’s movement picks on western women, and there’s this emphasis on women who are considered stereotypically submissive as being a better alternative to western women, women who are Asian or South American. Can you talk a little bit about that?

Potok: That’s right because, of course, this movement is closely allied, at least in a general sense, with those people who go to places like South America or Asia looking for women from societies where women basically act more submissive to men. So I think that’s certainly true.

Another aspect of this world that we write about is the world of so-called pick-up artists, some of whom are I think are essentially benign, but some of whom are really viscous; they’re really woman-haters. We write about one in particular, a guy named Roosh Vörek, who writes these incredibly nasty books about how to pick up women and then talks about women in ways that I can’t discuss on the air without getting you in trouble with the FCC. The language is fairly amazing.

And they have a whole set of strange words, a whole kind of language that goes with their world. For instance, they call men who identify as feminists or in some other way essentially stand up for women or suggest that women are not oppressing men “menginas.” In a way this is club-house-for-young-boys stuff, in another way it’s really quite viscous. And as you mention in the introduction, this kind of ideology, if we can even dignify it with that word, has consequences. A lot of these men, or a certain number these men, went out and engaged in massacres of women. We point out that really the first shots of this war were fired in Montreal. And I’m sure people will remember back in I think it was the early ’80s when a man walked into an engineering school in Montreal, lined up a bunch of women who were in a class there, kicked all the men out of the class, and proceeded to murder 14 women because as he said, feminists were destroying his life. And these women studying to be engineers obviously were feminists and had to die.

Kolhatkar: So Mark what about the child custody battles that result from domestic violence cases? What are the ways in which some of the folks from this so-called Men’s Movement have made strides in furthering their agenda?

Potok: Well they have pushed this diagnosis, which is not a real diagnosis, of a so-called parental alienation syndrome. The idea basically is that well when the kids that we share custody of or who we are fighting over go to stay at the ex-wife’s house, she is busy filling their heads with how evil the husband is and that this ultimately?at least this is the claim, not supported by much evidence, incidentally?that then those kids go out, and they’ll tell the family court judge that their father molested them, or beat them up, and that kind of thing.

The case you mentioned with Thomas Ball, the man who lit himself on fire?it was actually in New Hampshire, not Massachusetts–is a remarkable case because he wrote a huge manifesto about how men should attack police stations, and throw Molotov cocktails, and he was so oppressed, and yet he seemed utterly blind to what had gotten him into this whole cycle, which was he basically smacked his four-year-old daughter in the mouth because he was angered because she licked his hand when he was putting her to bed. He smacked her in the mouth hard enough to draw quite a bit of blood, and he doesn’t understand why that got him into any kind of trouble.

Kolhatkar: Well Mark Potok, where can listeners get ahold of this report?

Potok: It’s online at http://www.splcenter.org.

Kolhatkar: We’ll link to that from our website later today.

Thanks as always, Mark Potok, for joining us.

Special thanks to Paul Orezco for transcribing this interview.

41 responses so far

41 Responses to “‘Men’s Rights Movement’ Symbolizes Growing Nationwide Misogyny”

  1. War on Menon 24 Mar 2012 at 9:07 am

    It’s disturbing to see this misandrist WAR ON MEN continue unabated by Mark Potak and other repressive and matriarchal liberal women. But it’s heartening to know their are millions of men fighting back against the sexist slurs of “Deadbeat Dads” and “Child-Men”.

  2. Lettow-Vorbeckon 24 Mar 2012 at 11:08 am

    This author of this article is either misinformed or being disingenuous. There is no link at all between the recent anti-abortion bills proposed by various states and the loose collection of blogs called the “Manosphere.”

    The recent legislation isn’t about hating women. The bill from Ohio was co-sponsored by many female, Republican representatives. I haven’t investigated the co-sponsors of the other bills but that is not necessary. It is not misogynistic men doing this. It is the religious right. Millions of men and women in America who believe that a fetus is a person with a right to life. Trying to paint this as a misogyny issue is dishonest and it totally ignores the voices of conservative women who’s values are represented by the male and female politicians in the state legislature.

    The Manosphere is far, far less conservative than the Republican party. To conflate the two is ridiculous. There are some conservative MRAs but they do not represent the majority.

    Also, Thomas Ball immolated himself ten years after he was seperated from his daughter. Most of the websites listed didn’t even exist then. The author is trying to make it sound like those websites made him hit his daughter and then commit suicide, which is incredibly dishonest. It’s not the first time a father self-immolated. A man in Australia did it and in the 90′s an Italian man attempted to do it during a television interview

  3. Lettow-Vorbeckon 24 Mar 2012 at 11:18 am

    I’d like to state that I am neither a Republican or a Liberal. I am not conservative or progressive. I am not really an MRA either.

    I am a man who grew up in the 90′s saturated by all that grrrl power attitude and misandry. I was told that women should be treated as equals but I saw that this ideal of so called equality only flew when it benefited women.

    I won’t stay silent and hang my head when someone bashes men anymore. I won’t be assaulted by a female and do nothing about it. I won’t hear people spew specious feminist memes and leave them unchallenged. This is what the Manosphere is about.

  4. outdoorson 24 Mar 2012 at 12:11 pm

    What the growing men’s rights movement symbolizes is rising awareness to the double standard’s and misandry in society.

    We are the backlash to the misandric policies in society and law.

    We are also growing in number by the day and are now unstoppable.

    Did people like the above really think men would be content living on their knees for the benefit of the preffered gender?

    The above attempted shaming title,doesn’t even phase men anymore.

    The more people that speak out-the louder the quiet ones become.

  5. Leos Tomicekon 24 Mar 2012 at 1:12 pm

    The SPLC treatment of the Men’s Rights Movement is a testament to SPLC’s fecklessness and mendacity.

    Their hodgepodge list of so called misogynist websites references certain manboobz. This is what they call research at SPLC, Man Boobz. I thought that the SPLC is a well funded organisation which can do its own research and does not have to rely on Man Boobz.

    Speaking of funding, the SPLC secured some recently, following their feckless and mendacious expose of MRM, from the RadFemHub, a website which advocated gendercide.

  6. Oh Fudgeon 24 Mar 2012 at 2:16 pm

    Imagine a country where you could be forced from your house and kids based solely on a lie.

    Imagine a country where you appear in court, guilty until you prove your self innocent.

    Imagine a country where you if you cannot afford and attorney, one was not provided to you.

    Imagine a country where you cannot subpoena evidence by those that accused you.

    Imagine a country where even if you prove yourself innocent, your accuser is never held accountable for their actions.

    You don’t have to imagine, it is the USA under VAWA.

  7. TPHon 24 Mar 2012 at 4:15 pm

    The MRM is a direct response to inequitable treatment of men and boys by the state, law enforcement, judicial systems, and feminists. Equating men standing up for their rights as men as a hate movement shows how desperate those in power have become. You cannot elevate one gender by tearing down the other gender. That premise works both ways for males and females.

    I believe in equality, true equality. Not a gender biased equality with inequity built in to “level the playing field”. As a man I have seen the blatant inequity and sexism in our society. Sexism against men and boys because of the fallacy that males are inherently violent and potential rapists and abusers.

    The term “Misandry” is used to denote a hatred of males by either females or males themselves. Misandry is everywhere in our society. Look at how men are portrayed in the media, in sitcoms, in advertisements.

    When a man is with a woman in an advertisement, he is bumbling, stupid, not even capable of tying his shoes without a woman’s help. The woman is of course smart and sassy with an I.Q of Einstein and the patience and compassion of Mother Theresa.

    Want to see a perfect example of misandry and the glorification of violence by a woman against a man? Google the Dannon Oikos Superbowl commercial.

    Dannon thought it would be funny to show a woman viciously head butting a man over a spoon of yoghurt.

    That is misandry. That is violence against men by a woman portrayed as funny.

    Spend some time and look at all that surrounds you with an un-jaundiced eye. Misandry and anti-male sentiment is right there in the open for all to see.

    The problem is that the majority of society accepts anti-male sexism without pushing back and saying that it is wrong to discriminate against men and boys simply because of their gender.

    The MRM movement is here to stay as long as anti-male sentiments, laws, and poor treatment of men and boys exists.

    We’re here. Get used to us standing up for our rights as men.

  8. Marxon 24 Mar 2012 at 7:24 pm

    “…oppressing men through false accusations of abuse and rape, through divorce, and for generally demanding equality in the social and legal realms.” – But these western feminists (not women, as feminists can be male or female. Stop using deceptive mechanisms to trick the people) do not seek equality… they clearly demand preferential treatment OVER men, aka, superiority. VAWA would be VAPA (Person) if feminism was for equality.

  9. Ryanon 24 Mar 2012 at 11:27 pm

    Lol, however they try to frame it, the feminists and communist organizations like SPLC will lose. This will be accomplished by real progress for Men’s Rights and at very least the poisonous results of feminism. Poison in….poison out. There is no way to stop the growing MRM.

  10. Richardon 25 Mar 2012 at 1:47 am

    I have been falsely accused THREE times. Its complete rubbish to say men are spreading hatespeak about women – we are telling the tuth – the horrible whole truth. Does anyone really believe all women are good and al men are bad? No this is the image spread by feminist propaganda to create stereotypes upon which they play.

    In a way it is emotional terrorism – just as Iraq or Iran dont have WMD, but are protrayed as villans, feminist try exactly the same tactic on men. We are standing up and exposing the lies and feminist try to say we are spreading hatespeak.

  11. DCMon 25 Mar 2012 at 4:20 am

    The Men’s Rights Movement is a response to the spreading, increasingly institutionalized and government supported anti-male sentiment and policies in modern Western society.

  12. Laurie A. Coutureon 25 Mar 2012 at 5:58 am

    It just disgusts me when an oppressed group cries out, asking to be heard and their cries are stomped out, stifled and then attacked as “misogynist” by the very group who claims to want “gender equality”- by the very group who claims to want to “end oppression”. It is clear that the feminist political lobby is a hate group and an oppressive group. ANY group of people who attempt to stifle the cries of another group of people who are being mistreated in society are by definition oppressors. When feminists begin seriously fighting alongside humanitarian men and women against Male Genital Mutilation, sexual assault and rape of boys and men, domestic violence against men, the mass drugging and pathologizing of boys in public schools and all of the attempts to stifle, downplay and hide awareness to these issues and others, then I will believe feminists when they claim they are “for gender equality”. I am a woman, a strong, confident woman and the mother of a beautiful son. I stand with ALL human beings and give voice to them all. I am a humanitarian- something feminists might want to aspire to try.

  13. Bon 25 Mar 2012 at 11:09 am

    I got censored. My comment gone poof.

  14. Yan Yanon 25 Mar 2012 at 11:19 am

    OK.
    I read the Goldwag article – pure hysteria.
    I read the Potak article – fiddling with fake statistics.

    What planet do these authors live on?

    Sorry guys, but real men who are still have a link to reality don’t believe this arrant nonsense anymore.
    Why not just come clean and admit that you’ve been generously paid to play the role of ‘Court-Jester”?

    Three generations of broken families, abortions run rampant
    and thousands of men in jail might just be a clue. The suicide of Thomas Ball was the tip of an iceberg.

    Re the pic: What does Rush Limbaugh’s double chin have to do with anything?

    Tacky articles. You insult our intelligence.

  15. Dutchon 25 Mar 2012 at 11:37 am

    I got censored as well. That’s fine with me, at least now I don’t have to explain to you dumb ass femi-fascistas why I became a misogynist.

    Dutch.

  16. Zuberi Tauon 25 Mar 2012 at 1:58 pm

    The MRM doesn’t symbolize misogyny. It’s a response to men and boys being bashed and demonized on a daily basis by feminists for half a century. For 5 decades feminists have screamed “ALL MEN ARE PIGS” and have don’t everything from peddle fraud to outright spewing hatred at men and boys for being born.
    Here’s a quote from a feminist heavyweight.
    “It is no accident that in the ancient matriarchies men were castrated, sacrificially slaughtered, and excluded from public forms of power; nor is it an accident that some female supremacists now believe men to be a distinct and inferior species or race. Wherever power is accessible or bodily integrity honored on the basis of biological attribute, systematized cruelty permeates the society and murder and mutilation contaminate it. We will not be different” – Andrea Dworkin

    Feminism is a government funded hate movement.

  17. Byslexic Dananaon 25 Mar 2012 at 2:10 pm

    It is not the men’s movement that is misogynistic; it is the feminist movement that is misandric. For years, feminists have been claiming that domestic violence is almost solely perpetrated by men. Where is the equality in this view? They also promote the idea of men cheating more than women? Where is the equality in this view? Men’s activists, however, argue that domestic violence is committed roughly equally between men and women, and the same with adultery. So, riddle me this, Batman: which movement is it, which promotes a view of equality, the most? Add to this the laws that feminists push for that directly favour women, such as it being a crime for men to have sex with drunk women, but not vice versa, and for women’s prisons, but not men’s, to be closed….and you have a movement which couldn’t be further from pushing for equality. To oppose this bias is NOT misogyny; it is equality, in a way that feminists will never understand. For the record, it is also rather hilarious, how the only example cited, where women supposedly are discriminated against, in law, regards abortion: an area in which fathers have absolutely NO rights, yet it’s being claimed the law biases against women?! The hypocrisy of feminism is thus illustrated perfectly.

  18. Bob Johnsonon 25 Mar 2012 at 3:23 pm

    I was also censored. I’ll boil down the essence of my post and re-serve it.

    Feminists pushed for 100% of reproductive rights. They got them. Only women have the right to determine whether or not they will be a parent in our society. When MRA’s ask for the same rights women already have, we are called misogynists and our actions are called “violence against women” or “a war on women”. We have never, and will never, impinge on any woman’s rights,we only ask that men be granted the SAME rights women already have. The right to have our health needs met,the right to programs and opportunities for education for boys similar to the ones women and girls enjoy,the right to determine when we will become fathers, the right to free or cheap non-surgical contraception.We do not want to take women’s rights away, we want to give rights to men and boys.

    It is feminists who oppose equality. The MRM opposes feminism,not women or their rights, and asks for real equality rather than gender quotas,”nuanced understandings of female domestic violence” which portray all intergender relations in the context of a mythical “patriarchy”,and other self-serving lies.

    Thomas Ball’s suicide cannot reasonably be claimed to be violence against women,because no women were attacked,threatened,or otherwise harmed by his actions. The MRM,as a group,has never made a threat of violence against any woman. Anyone who has made threats of any kind against anyone or even hinted at a call for violence is and will continue to be expelled immediately and is persona non grata in the Men’s Rights Movement.

    We are peacefully calling for an end to the hypocrisy,lies,and double standards, and ask all men to join us in the fight for true equality.

    Everything that has been said here about us by these people is spin-doctored.My earlier comment addressed many of the way this was done,but it was deleted. I’ll reiterate so that it is absolutely clear. We have never and will never threaten women as a group or any woman in particular with violence. We do not,under any circumstances, seek as a group to remove women’s rights,including but not limited to,the right to vote,own property,or get an education, our goal is simply to extend opportunities to men and boys currently enjoyed by women.

    That’s it. That’s what this great big bogeyman they’ve come up with boils down to. If you don’t believe me,ask yourself why the best example of violence against women these people could come up with is a man committing suicide.If we had advocated violence against women, there would be examples of that included here,wouldn’t there?

    Think for yourself. Read the facts,listen to our case for Men’s Rights,and make up your own mind about it.

  19. drexon 25 Mar 2012 at 5:40 pm

    My comment has been removed. That shows what a waste of time it is trying to educate those who prefer to live in ignorance and spread lies.

  20. George Kasperson 26 Mar 2012 at 12:08 am

    I really hope the editors here pay attention to these comments and ratings and learn what their audience wants before posting an ignorant anti-first-amendment article like this one again.

  21. Bob Knowson 26 Mar 2012 at 4:48 am

    The misandrist hand of anti-men hate runs the authors, editors, and censors on “Uprising.” You hateful bigots ought to be ashamed of your web site and doubly ashamed of your hate.

  22. Chris Keyon 26 Mar 2012 at 5:04 am

    So if a man commits suicide then he’s committed an act of violence against women?

    Talk about clutching at straws!

  23. Tomon 26 Mar 2012 at 9:09 am

    Mark – Dude you are confusing those who are against women’s rights (i.e. the right wing of the republican party) with those who simply want THE SAME equal rights for men (i.e. mra’s).

    Even a 5 year old will instanly recognize the two are not the same.

    In fact most MRA’s are probably center-left/center-right folks who simply want to equal treatment in divorce court, custody decisions, and want reform on outdated institutions like Lifetime Alimony. This has nothing to do with impending on women’s rights whether legal, or social (your words).

  24. michaelon 26 Mar 2012 at 11:15 am

    ” He wrote, “[t]he federal government declared a war on men. It is time, boys, to give them a taste of war.” ”

    You claim we’re “violent” ? It’s HIGH TIME we give ‘em what they assume and want and attack the mangina’s who protect these women for their own selfish reasons !

  25. Steven Iavaroneon 26 Mar 2012 at 11:03 pm

    Btw how did asking for rights become misogyny? I love women. It’s the injustice & gender prejudiced laws, treatment & biased articles like this that sparks a backlash ;)

  26. Factseekeron 27 Mar 2012 at 1:55 am

    Men have no reproductive rights. Until authorities are prepared to empathise with male alienation and pain and urge society to find fairer solutions for this problem, men will continue to fight for justice.

  27. chavonneon 27 Mar 2012 at 2:57 pm

    In 2007, my nephew (19 at the time) committed suicide after a woman 7 years his senior admitted to pregnancy entrapment (contraception tampering) He was to attend college in the Fall but instead was served with CS orders. After two years of depression his suicide note read… “I cannot believe this has happened. Some days are better than others, but I have decided that I would rather die than to continue to support – - – – . My entire life has been turned upside down and I pray that God receives me with understanding”. This has made it very personal for me.

    I have been trying to get in front of Congress to testify about the importance of reproductive rights for men for years now with little success. Its time and I’m fed up but hopeful given the growing numbers of women that waking up and willing to fight for our sons husbands etc! I truly believe that pro-choice women would have more allies from men willing to protect our rights to choose if we extended reproductive rights to men! One day Congress will either hear me or eventually they will have the conversation bought right to them form the millions of women and women that are fed up! IBut I guess Im just another mysogynist..smh

  28. Tomon 27 Mar 2012 at 4:19 pm

    Seriously, I had no idea that Rush Limbaugh was an MRA. I bet the guy never even heard of the term.

  29. Marcon 27 Mar 2012 at 4:56 pm

    This article is nothing but ignorant reactionism. The European Court of Human Rights recently had to intervene on behalf of unmarried fathers in Germany because they were given no rights over their kids. On 12/6/11, the United Nations declared that Israel discriminates against divorced fathers, and called on Israel to cancel the Tender Years Clause that grants automatic custody over children in divorce cases to their mothers. In India, only men can be prosecuted for adultery, while women are immune. That was all thanks for men’s rights activists. The men’s rights movement is about equal rights. Nothing more. They ask for equal rights in fathers’ custody, domestic violence services, public benefits, criminal sentencing, etc. Any anti-feminist mentality comes into play because feminists are supporting the anti-male discriminatory laws. They wrote DV laws that exclude male victims & their kids from services. They oppose joint custody laws. In India they support the law that excludes male victims of rape & DV from protection. They tried to create a “man tax” in Sweden. I happen to be very progressive and the Southern Poverty Law Center made me an Honoree on their Wall of Tolerance in 2002. I’ve also been a men’s rights activist since 1998 and am VP of the National Coalition For Men. The Southern Poverty Law Center has no idea what it’s talking about. I looked on their site and they have no basis at all, for instance, for criticising mensactivism.org. See for yourself. It says absolution nothing mysogynistic about them. What is happening is radical feminist groups are engaged in an attack campaign because the men’s rights movement is steadily growing and exposing the hypocrisy, sexism, and double standards of today’s feminism.

  30. Peter-Andrew: Nolan(c)on 27 Mar 2012 at 5:21 pm

    Gents,
    want to defend fathers? Join CAF. It is a global resource.

    http://www.crimesagainstfathers.com/australia/Home.aspx

  31. John Ramboon 27 Mar 2012 at 5:37 pm

    I am an American man, and I have decided to never marry an American woman. In a nutshell, American women are the most likely to cheat on you, to divorce you, to get fat, to steal half of your money in the divorce courts, don’t know how to cook or clean, don’t want to have children, etc. Therefore, what intelligent man would want to get involved with American women?

    American women are generally immature, selfish, extremely arrogant and self-centered, mentally unstable, irresponsible, and highly unchaste. The behavior of most American women is utterly disgusting, to say the least.

    I encourage ALL American men to NEVER MARRY American women, and date/marry only foreign (non-American) women.

    Tens of millions of American men have had their lives completely destroyed by American women through the following crimes:

    1. False rape accusations (it has been proven that up to 80 percent of rape accusations are FALSE)

    2. False domestic violence (DV) charges (same as above)

    3. Financial destruction of men in divorce courts through alimony and support payments (women get up to 95 percent of their ex-husband’s income and savings, as well as the house, car, etc)

    4. Emotional destruction of men by ex-wives who have stolen their children from them and forbidden contact

    5. Divorced dads who commit suicide as a result

    Not one single American woman has EVER condemned their fellow American women for committing these crimes against men. Silence means consent. Therefore, American women support and enjoy destroying men’s lives and causing men to commit suicide. Apparently, American women think it is okay to be a criminal, just as long as you are a woman. Therefore, is it any surprise that a huge percent of American men no longer want anything to do with American women, other than using them for easy sex and then throwing them away?

    Another reason to never marry or have children with an American woman: 60 percent of child abuse/molestation in America is done by WOMEN to children, according to US Government statistics. Therefore, the majority of child abuse/molestation in America is done by WOMEN. Also, did you know that 1 out of 4 women in America take psychiatric drugs for mental disorders? Yes, AMERICAN WOMEN ARE INSANE! Oh, and just one more interesting fact- 70 percent of criminals in America were raised by single mothers. Single mothers produce future criminals. Criminals destroy society. Thus, feminism destroys society.

    When confronted with this evidence, American/western women will deny any responsibility for their own criminal actions and behaviors, and will attack the man who is presenting these facts and evidences. This is proof that American/western women are a bunch of liars, hypocrites, and criminals. They REFUSE to accept the FACT that they have destroyed tens of millions of men’s lives and ruined the lives of millions of children as well. It is because American/western women have become sociopathic man-haters. Far from being “equal” to men, American/western women can’t even take responsibility for their own actions, which is the trait of any normal adult. Thus, American/western women are just a bunch of spoiled little children. They are NOT equal to men. American women REFUSE to accept the truth of how evil and vile they have become. American/western women are living in their own pathetic little fantasy world, where they think they are a perfect little princess. Sorry, but you are NOT a perfect little princess. In fact, you American/western women are the most hideous, disgusting, monstrous creatures on the face of the earth.

    Another thing I noticed, is that whenever you bring up the topic of western men marrying asian women in front of an American/western woman, she will make some racist and hateful comment about asian women, calling them “slaves” or “mail order brides”. My question is this: If American/western women are so “independent”, “confident”, “strong”, and “empowered” like they claim to be, why do they feel threatened by Asian women? Why are American/western women so jealous towards Asian women? The real reason is this- Asian women are 1000 times superior to American/western women, and any western man who has dated/married an Asian woman will tell you this.

    Over 50 percent of American women are single, without a boyfriend or husband; so the fact is most American men no longer want to marry American women. Let these worthless American women grow old living alone with their 10 cats.

    NEVER MARRY AN AMERICAN OR WESTERN WOMAN! BOYCOTT AMERICAN WOMEN!

    http://boycottamericanwomen.blogspot.com/

  32. Peter-Andrew: Nolan(c)on 27 Mar 2012 at 5:49 pm

    Well said John Rambo. Well said indeed.

  33. pacman7293on 27 Mar 2012 at 9:54 pm

    You people are not going to stop us, and you will feel the power of the truth.

  34. J. Hughon 05 Apr 2012 at 4:58 pm

    In regards to parenting, it seems to me that both sexes are equally capable of being inept. When I was growing up, I was the subject of a fierce custody battle, but I’m pretty certain my childhood would have been seriously messed up no matter who got full custody. Other children I knew while growing up had comparably unfit parents fighting ruthlessly over custody–in front of the children, myself, et al. ……… As far as one sex harming society more than another, in my own personal life, the malevolent people I encounter seem to be equally male and female. Of course, females have been treated horrendously throughout history (e.g., the horrific witch “trials,” which killed millions, and women not having the right to vote until less than 100 years ago), and I don’t think we should lose sight of that. However, it seems to me that most of our problems are human problems rather than one sex over another. ……….. Again, when I think of the most malevolent people I’ve ever known, both genders top the list fairly equally.

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    *and in some ways the rivalry between my parents continues even though I’m now in my mid-forties.

  35. wihon 15 May 2012 at 3:15 am

    The family courts are guilty of the most egregious crimes against humanity and human rights violations. For example, the crime of separating fathers from children and then putting fathers into debt slavery and prison.

    These are crimes worthy of the death penalty.

    They have used the “dead beat” dad in order to perpetrate this crime.

    The “dead beat” dad is the “nigger” or “Jew” of the 21st century. He is a scapegoat. The dead beat dad concept was created as a marketing tool to remove children from their fathers.

    In most cases, the mother is the reason the children are without a father. The mother moves away, or keeps the children from the father, usually under a false claim of abuse. Then through the power of the courts, she puts the father into slavery.

    Read the story below:

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    Title: A life not worth living

    It has been seven years since my wife move 500 miles away with my almost three year old son one day when I was at work; and my 500 mile trips to try to reconcile our family eventually proved futile.

    Our marriage lasted almost ten years. We waited seven years to have our first child. Our son was completely planned, welcomed and cherished. I was a doting and loving father and I spent every day and weekend with my son.

    After the divorce, the courts allowed me to see my son three weekends per month from 10:00 AM to 6:00 PM. That is only 6.66% of the total time available in the month. I was allowed one phone call per week. The courts allowed his mother to keep him 500 miles away; I had to travel 500 miles to see him. I was ordered to pay his mother $1500 per month. No consideration was taken for my travel expenses.

    Most importantly, no consideration was given for my son’s rights to have his father in his life the same amount of time as before. Not three weekends per month only in the daytime, but every day and night and weekend. I was a very affectionate, loving and responsible father and absolutely doted over my son. I was stripped of my fathership and made a visitor in his life. He was stripped of his father.

    Within two months my son behaved like a stranger to me. Within four months he was actively hostile towards me. After traveling 500 miles to see him, his mother would not show up with him. His mother was alienating him from me.
    Within seven months I lost my job. After being a victim of a terrible wife and a corrupt court system, I realized the situation was hopeless; I walked away.

    Even though she destroyed most of the relationship between my son and I, I am the one being blamed for abandonment.
    I thought I could begin a new life; but seven years later the pain remains. My pain over missing my son; the pain over how my son must feel; the pain over the disadvantages that my son has. Pain over a career that has been trashed. Pain over huge child support debts that can never be repaid. Pain over a life where I will never be able to have any sort of financial security or retirement. Pain over the fact that I will never know my grandchildren. Pain over excruciating loneliness.
    The worst times are weekends and holidays.

    Weekends and holidays were mine and my son’s best times together. When I see fathers with sons I feel an overwhelming sadness: a sadness of what has been lost; what is not; and what could have been.

    Also I am permanently changed. No amount of therapy, psychotropic drugs, or a new woman and child can remove the hollowness inside me. I notice the effect when I am around people. I used to be happy and fulfilled; now I am empty and depressed, and people notice it and they don’t want to be around me. It is impossible for me to smile and I get no pleasure from anything; not even eating. I have no present and no future.

    Am I a loser?

    I was an example of someone who raised themselves from nothing to something though hard work. I put myself through college; earned a scholarship, and worked many crappy jobs before I finally landed a good one. Through thrift, I managed to save a tidy nest egg. I never had any problems with the law. But because my wife became unhappily married, I have been criminalized, even though I tried to keep the marriage together.
    Now I don’t have a car, I don’t have a drivers license, I don’t have a girl friend, and I live in a small and shitty room. I earn a fifth of what I earned before. I have a very difficult time holding a job because of depression.

    I am a Christian; so I am afraid of committing suicide. Nevertheless, I often research suicide to see if there is some justification for it; some way to do it, without going to hell. I want out of my life; I would not want to wish my life on my worst enemy. It is a life that is not worth living.

    I pray every day for some guidance and purpose of what I am supposed to do; I don’t get any answers.

    Where did I go wrong?

    Was it the wrong choice of a woman?

    My wife was very religious (mormon) and a virgin when we met. She never smoked a cigarette or drank alcohol in her life. She was the most family-oriented person I had ever met. I would never have thought she would have chosen divorce. And if she chose divorce, I would have thought she would have wanted a father in her son’s life. But she changed. Why did she change? I don’t know but I think because of cultural influences.

    Why do I write this? For pity?

    No. I write this to give young men an idea of what they are facing when they father children in the USA or any other country that imitates the American court system. When the divorce happens, and it is more likely to happen then not, you will be destroyed emotionally and financially. Your children will suffer. The more responsible, the more loving, the more family-oriented you are, the more you will be destroyed.

    Marriage and family is sacred and the greatest gift a man can have. Unfortunately, in the USA, marriage and family have been perverted beyond repair.

    For young men, the worst thing you could do is to have children in the USA. For parents of boys, the worst thing you could do is to pressure your sons into having children in the USA. Don’t think it cannot happen to you or your sons.

    Is there a solution?

    Yes. Emigration. Make your money in the states and emigrate out when you are financially able. Then marry and have children in a family-friendly nation and a nation with fairer divorce laws. This is a solution that won’t completely remove the risk of divorce; but will reduce it.

    As a man in the USA you have nothing to look forward to. Only the ignorant or the masochistic would think of fathering children there. In the USA fathers are like tightrope walkers without netting. Don’t do it.

    You have been warned by someone wandering in hell who lives a life not worth living.

  36. disgruntledsuburbanwhiteboyon 04 Jun 2012 at 9:46 pm

    For “a life not worth living”

    I would be lying to say “I feel your pain.” Forgive me for using that phrase, the mouth it first came from was not my choice in the election but it does describe my thought. Mine is bad but nothing close to yours.

    Unfortunately I also feel our society is not meant for happy family lives even though we (including women) may have that set as our goal, our path to happiness. Our society lacks humility and there is no media or public source of guidance that directs our attention to that loss. Instead every possible public source of influence to direct us, especially our children, to this reality, the reality that we are just people and our chance of happiness will not be gained through glory or career/professional success or material wealth, these sources literally push us into these failed lives. When was the last time you heard a kid say he wanted to be a priest or a minister rather than a millionaire? Who was the last adult who suggested it; viewed it as an honorable and good vocation? What will be among the first questions your junior high student will ask when they see the career vocational counselor? Could it be how much money will I make? Will there be benefits, perks?

    How many of the TV shows our children see somehow come to the implicit suggestion that divorce is the way to fixing our relationship problems? The play of the poor mother who has the strength to stand up to the bad father and charge him of his terrible, despicable actions and in protection of the child remove him from his dangerous grip. I’m afraid too many of those who read this will remember that night in jail. When accused of things that never happened and forcibly removed from your own home. Separated from your children; threatened with arrest and imprisonment if you talk to them, write to them, look at them. If you see them you must turn around and walk away without acknowledging their presence…an unthinkable reality with evidence to prove it. Leave them with only the mother’s side of the story to go by. “Dad promised me everything would be OK. Why hasn’t he called? Is he coming back?” What will be the accusing parent’s response? I know what it won’t be: “My mistake. I was wrong to lie to the police. I will tell them the truth.” Don’t hold your breath on that one. Maybe an understanding of the application and enforcement of temporary restraining orders based on unfounded accusations should be an integral part of their preschool education?! They say most of what they will ever know they will learn before first grade. Unfortunately, most of the divorces and child custody battles start before first grade also.

    The decision for two people to marry or divorce should not be controlled by an administration, let alone one that does not consider our happiness as a goal. I don’t need the Court system to tell me what’s right and what’s wrong. I learned that under the guidance of parents and family that set their interests aside and put family first, in particular their children.
    What single part of our justice system actually supports family happiness? They are not the cure to any of the ails we face in this Great Society, more like the causes or at least the channels that promote it, but they are self-righteous enough to fake it. Who knows better than ourselves what is best for our children? Yet they say “We know better than you”, but under the hidden veil of doing “what is in the child’s best interest.”

    My son is 21 years old; just returned fro Afghanistan as a crew member of a light attack helicopter squad. He can take care of himself out there but can he do it back here? I tell him not to rush about anything serious; he says he has no plans to get involved but there is that blond he’s been banging. What next? What if she pushes for marriage? What if she decides later that life with a helicopter mechanic is not what she dreamed of? What if she reconsiders her choice of relationship over potential career? What if the failing “Let’s have a baby and I will be happy” strategy pops up? What will happen after the divorce when suddenly the mother inevitably becomes the custodial parent and from that point she sets the rules? True shared parenthood is simply impossible unless you buy the house next door and invite each other to all the barbeques! Certainly not on my short list of invitees. As my second wife always told my son before a prom: “Don’t forget to take that extra sock along. Those girls will lie about anything to get pregnant.” True words spoken from a woman who saw friends commit that crime.

    The decision for two people to marry or divorce should not be influenced by the Media that permeates our society, nor the propaganda they call family entertainment. How many shows have you seen after 7 PM that didn’t include some kind of emotional, physical contact? Our radio vomits sex out at us through every piece of music they play, and most certainly through those that I don’t consider music at all. Now consider the impact that has on our children. The idea of showing the type of rash we see now and saying it’s meant as a learning experience is criminal. Sex in an over-glamorized police show that’s tries to play off that they are true incidents to teach our children right from wrong is as effective as trying to reduce burglary at gas stations by adding a 24 hr discount deli that sells liquor at state minimum!

    I would love to stand in front of the courthouse of my choosing and express my views of its failures in fixing social woes that it itself has made or over exaggerated from but I must keep silent. The repercussions it would lead to could be disastrous to little time I have left to show my children I love them while they’re still young enough to not know any better.

  37. Roberton 31 Jul 2012 at 1:41 am

    Give them hell I have spent half of my life in jail trying to give them want they want and make them happy the next time I wont steal for their ass.

  38. Marcon 09 Sep 2012 at 5:30 pm

    The media can keep trying to pain the men’s rights movement as either anti-woman and right wing. But it is neither, and slowly the public is learning this and will no longer accept the media’s lies. The men’s rights movement is about equal rights. period. And it is made up of both men and women, and people on both the left and the right. It is about ending the hypocrisy and double standards against men in areas like family law, child custody, parenting rights, domestic violence services, criminal sentencing, military conscription, false accusations, etc.

  39. paton 14 Sep 2012 at 8:15 am

    What is Patriarchy ? Patriarchy is a political mass control system used to give / keep power to a few by separating men and women (divide to reign). Patriarchy also uses religions to control people through guilt mainly.

    Feminism is not about opposing men and women it’s about reuniting men & women. But for this to be made, women must 1st be freed from patriarchy. The reason in that patriarchy perverts mother / children relation. I mean that patriarchy uses the mother to force patriarchal values onto the children.

    Again it is patriarchy that separates men & women from immemorial times, not feminism. The discrimination men are facing now comes from Patriarchy

  40. American Punjaban PIon 01 Jan 2013 at 1:19 pm

    This is only part of the problem in an ever progressing nation. Feminism and women’s liberation couldn’t come without a price. That price is that now that we have it, men have to readjust their way of thinking and living. We have to find new ways to make the fabric of our society continue to work together rather than having holes ripped in it. We’ve come a long way but still have a long way to go.

  41. Seanon 16 Sep 2013 at 5:45 pm

    Abortion is a woman’s reproductive right huh? And those who are against abortion are only against it because they want to control women’s reproduction huh? Wake me up when you feminists condescend to speak to the Republicans on why they actually oppose abortion. It’ll be hard, I know, leaving your little protective bubble, but it’s ok. I’ll wait.

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